Summary
Users frequently express concerns about the practicalities of owning a Porsche 911 GTS, particularly regarding ground clearance and the potential for scraping. The high cost of the vehicle and its options, coupled with worries about resale value and depreciation, are significant pain points. There's also a debate about interior materials like Race-Tex versus leather, and a desire for a more analog driving feel in modern, highly refined vehicles. Additionally, issues with dealer experiences, sound system quality, and the impact of accident history on value are noted.

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Ground Clearance and Practicality

Concerns about scraping the front lip and undercarriage on everyday obstacles.

Owners are concerned about the low ground clearance of the GTS, particularly with the SportDesign front lip and PASM suspension, leading to frequent scraping on driveways, speed bumps, and uneven surfaces. This necessitates careful maneuvering and a willingness to treat the front lip as a consumable part.

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I have a GTS with PASM as a daily driver and have scraped the plastic lip several times.

It’s exiting the driveways of gas stations and shopping centers that get me here and there.

If you daily the car, you should consider the front lip a consumable and swap it out every year or two.

I have 2016 991.1 GTS daily driver and have managed to scrape the front plastic quite a bit on random store front parking areas and once in an alleyway with a steep incline.

I have a 2016 GTS. I don’t have front axle lift and have scraped twice in 4 years.

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Cost and Value Perception

High cost of the GTS and its options, leading to questions about value compared to other models or brands.

The high price point of the GTS, especially with options, leads many to question its value proposition, comparing it unfavorably to older generations, other Porsche models (like the GT3 or Turbo), or even competing luxury brands. The cost of options is seen as particularly excessive.

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It blows my mind that non Turbo and GT cars can now cost in the 200,000s.

$212k for a GTS is nuts.

911’s have unfortunately gotten a bit too pricey for the normal person to enjoy, even the base models.

Are people still buying P cars at these ludicrous prices?

GTS is always amazing, but yes like others said it’s starts to get expensive with the options.

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Resale Value and Depreciation

Concerns about how specific options affect resale value and the impact of accident history on depreciation.

Buyers are concerned about how options like carbon ceramics or specific interior packages will impact resale value. Additionally, the significant depreciation and diminished value associated with even minor accident history on a Carfax report are a major concern for owners.

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$10k for the repair. $30k for diminished value once the accident and repair are on the carfax.

Yes, big time

You have to factor in potential depreciation as well if the accident goes on the 911’s Carfax.

Resale Value: I'm also mindful of the future value of this and would like to choose options that help maintain the car's value over time.

To answer your resale question, ceramics do usually increase resale value at light wear levels, but the impact at the time of resale definitely won't pay for the option.

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Interior Options and Materials

Debate over the practicality and long-term wear of Race-Tex/Alcantara interiors versus leather.

There's a division of opinion on the GTS interior package, specifically the Race-Tex material. Some find it appealing and a distinguishing feature, while others worry about its long-term durability and appearance compared to leather, especially on high-touch surfaces like the steering wheel.

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Used leather has character, used alcantara/race-tex just looks used.

IMO if you like the look, always get the GTS interior pack in a GTS model. It's a distinguishing feature and will make the car easier to sell later on.

IMO if you like the look, always get the GTS interior pack in a GTS model. It's a distinguishing feature and will make the car easier to sell later on.

GTS interior pack? I like race tex and black interiors so I suspect this makes sense, perhaps with the chalk stitching

Full leather interior. Or at a minimum, leather steering wheel and shifter instead of Alcantara. Full leather truly classes up the car.

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Performance vs. Daily Usability

Balancing the car's extreme performance capabilities with the desire for comfortable daily driving.

While the GTS is praised for its incredible performance and surprising comfort for a sports car, some find it too harsh for daily driving. The car's capabilities often exceed what can be safely or legally used on public roads, leading to a desire for a more refined or less intense experience for everyday use.

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I think I've said it here before, but a car as capable as the 911 Carrera GTS has no business being so comfortable and practical for a road trip.

The duality of the 911 is striking. It's comfortable, yet capable. Luxurious, yet sporty.

GTS is the sweet spot - if you can afford it you won’t be disappointed.

But that's the Porsche gts trim in a nutshell. The most amount of power you could ever want, you don’t need more. And … harsher than what most people want, but if you’re an enthusiast you’ll be willing to deal with it or even like it for spirited driving.

Happening is one thing, the way they handle it, is what would drive me completely nuts. Shit happens, misjudging can also happen once. Continuously dragging it out is no accident. That is just f ing me over.

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Transmission Choice (Manual vs. PDK)

Debate over whether manual or PDK offers a better driving experience and performance.

There is an ongoing discussion about whether the manual transmission or the PDK offers a superior driving experience. While PDK is acknowledged as faster, particularly on track, many prefer the engagement and 'purist' feel of the manual, even if it means sacrificing some performance.

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For a track car I would prefer to have a PDK. Just pulling a paddle allows you to control when the car shifts and it also allows you to focus on driving.

i thought it was generally accepted that manual is slower than PDK?

REAL cars have 3 pedals!

PDK, PDDC, PCCBs, Rear Axle Steering

If you get PDK, spec it with adaptive cruise. If you want better resale, get a manual.

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Dealer Experience and Service

Negative experiences with dealerships regarding communication, service, and handling of issues.

Several users report negative experiences with Porsche dealerships, citing poor communication, unresponsiveness to issues, and a general lack of customer care after a sale. This leads to frustration and a reluctance to do business with them in the future.

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I agree with this. Having issues with audi now over something so stupid. No one at the dealer wants to admit they fucked up.

My selling dealer and service dealer have made sure I'll never buy another Porsche again.

Circle Porsche is sketchy. I had a very bad experience with them. I could not, in good conscience, recommend doing business with them.

The luxury brands themselves are solid, but dealers can really suck hard. The whole dealer model in the US just fucks consumers.

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Specific Option Concerns

Uncertainty about the value and necessity of certain optional features.

Potential buyers are seeking guidance on which optional features are truly worth the cost, with particular uncertainty surrounding carbon ceramic brakes, power steering plus, front axle lift, and various driver assistance technologies. The decision often comes down to personal preference and intended use.

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carbon ceramics - this is a $$ option and I’ve heard advice in both directions.

power steering - there are some options here that I think are for city driving - worthwhile or not?

I'm torn on is the front axel lift….is the FAL really warranted or more of a convenience/peace of mind?

If you HATE cleaning brake dust get the ceramic brakes.

If cost is a concern, definitely cut the tech driver assistance stuff - ask yourself if you didn’t have those, would you even notice?

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Hybrid Powertrain Concerns

Skepticism and questions about the longevity and impact of the new hybrid system on the GTS.

The introduction of a hybrid system in the new GTS models raises questions about its long-term reliability and potential impact on resale value. Some users are hesitant about the new technology, preferring traditional turbo setups due to concerns about potential failures or desirability in the future.

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I feel like I’m tripping as I’m sober. 😵‍💫

I feel you on the hybrid part...idk why but it kinda throws me off a bit.

It was more me being unsure about that component of the gts vs a traditional turbo setup in terms of longevity. That's my fault to be honest I half assed my post. Basically wasn't sure if it's something to fear failing on me down the road or making it become a less desirable model for resale.

Yeah the way I worded that was out of laziness tbh and that's my fault. I'm super aware of it how it works to help the turbo spool etc. It was more me being unsure about that component of the gts vs a traditional turbo setup in terms of longevity. That's my fault to be honest I half assed my post. Basically wasn't sure if it's something to fear failing on me down the road or making it become a less desirable model for resale.

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Car Maintenance and Repair Costs

High cost and long lead times for parts and repairs, especially for newer models.

Owners are experiencing significant costs and long wait times for repairs and parts, particularly for newer models. The need to source parts from Germany and the complexity of repairs contribute to extended downtime and high expenses, even for minor issues.

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Don't forget the rental for a month. 2024 parts are not readily available and must be shipped from Germany. If available, 2 weeks to ship, a week to paint, a week to install (not physical labor time but queing, prep, labor, QA, etc).

My 24 GTS had a minor rock chip on the rocker panel and that was $950 just to touch it up and blend the rock guard.

Just be aware that depending on the time of year, parts from Porsche can take months to come over from Germany. Someone hit my GT3 just after the last freighter left Germany, and so I needed to wait 3 months for a bumper....

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Sound System Quality

Disappointment with the quality of the standard and even upgraded sound systems.

Users express dissatisfaction with both the standard and optional Bose and Burmester sound systems, finding them to be of poor quality for the price. Many suggest that aftermarket upgrades are necessary to achieve satisfactory audio performance.

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I heard from another SA that they're estimating 3+ years for new buyers getting on their list now. Absolute insanity.

I heard the Bose isnt great but im not sure why i have such a hard time parting with $6k for the burmeister.

The Bose is junk, unfortunately the Burmester is also junk, it’s better to just get the Bose and plan an aftermarket upgrade in the future as Porsche refuse to offer anything other than cheap paper cone rubbish

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Driving Dynamics and Feel

Desire for more analog feel and connection to the road, with some finding modern Porsches too refined.

Some enthusiasts feel that modern Porsches, while incredibly capable, have become too refined and technologically advanced, leading to a loss of the raw, analog driving feel they prefer. They seek a more direct connection with the car and the road, which they feel is diminished by the advanced systems.

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Not looking for faster, looking for a better sense of connection and control.

Golf R is a pretty boring car to drive, in fairness. They are absolutely amazing as overall packages, and ludicrously fast with great handling. But it feels similar to driving a fast car in a video game with a remote rather than you actually driving it.

Everything these days is way too good from a mechanical and technological perspective. Flaws create personalities

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